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NYPD example of using the database to address gang violence in the Bronx
1:25:58
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NYPD Chief Lipetri provides an example from the 40th Precinct in the Bronx to illustrate how the gang database is used to address violence. The council member interrupts, expressing dissatisfaction with anecdotal evidence and reiterating her request for concrete data.
- NYPD cites 19 incidents of violence connected to multiple crews in the 40th Precinct
- Mentions a specific crew with 45 documented members in the database
- Council member Stevens interrupts, stating she wants numbers and data, not stories
- Debate over the effectiveness of the database in actually stopping crime
Michael LiPetri
1:25:58
19 incidents of violence in the 40 Precinct connected to multiple crews.
Sharon Brown
1:26:05
Mhmm.
Michael LiPetri
1:26:06
One of the crews, which I will not name
Jason Savino
1:26:08
Mhmm.
Michael LiPetri
1:26:09
Has documented 45 members in the criminal group database.
1:26:13
19 acts of violence, that's either shootings, people shot, shots fired, or gun arrest in a two month frame, right?
1:26:22
We noticed younger individuals that were tied to older individuals that were
Althea V. Stevens
1:26:28
But I I but so I'm gonna stop you because I didn't ask for that.
1:26:32
I asked for the numbers and the data.
1:26:34
I didn't ask for a story or anecdote because if we are saying and I'm asking you how is this with the data that you have because this is about data and making sure we're using percentages and things like that.
1:26:44
So how is this data stopping crime?
1:26:46
What is the percentage of crimes that this database has stopped?
Michael Gerber
1:26:49
Wait.
1:26:49
Counselor Stevens, you know that it's not possible.
1:26:52
Exactly.
1:26:52
No.
1:26:52
Hold on.
Althea V. Stevens
1:26:52
Hold on.
Michael LiPetri
1:26:53
Hold on.
Althea V. Stevens
1:26:54
No.
1:26:54
Because I have another question.
1:26:54
You're
Michael Gerber
1:26:55
asking for data about a negative.
1:26:57
You're asking for data Alright.
1:26:58
For shootings that didn't happen.
Althea V. Stevens
1:26:59
So just say you don't have it.
Jumaane Williams
1:27:00
No.
1:27:00
No.
1:27:00
No.
Michael Gerber
1:27:00
Because that's not the case.
1:27:01
Because you say it's for It's that you're asking for data that you know could not possibly be generated.
1:27:06
You're talking about interventions that will prevent shootings, that do prevent shootings.
1:27:11
But there's literally, it is not possible to track shooting that didn't happen.
Althea V. Stevens
1:27:15
Could could I just check there because it's not even because there's no interventions that's being done.
1:27:19
Because this one thing, if you were saying that you were using this data, working with DYCD and all these people, you also said you're not sharing this this information, there is no interventions being done to stop anything.
1:27:31
So no no no because that's that's that's true because I asked you that offline.
1:27:35
You're not doing interventions.
1:27:36
And so if there's a difference, if it's like we're using this information to actually bring resources to those communities, meet with those individuals, and find the things that those families need, that is very different.
1:27:45
There's no interventions.
1:27:46
And let's also be clear, when you're saying resources, you're saying cops.
1:27:49
That is not going to get us out of the situation we're in.
1:27:52
I don't want to stay there because I have some other questions.
1:27:55
So have you ever heard of the ghost shadows?
1:27:58
Have you ever heard of the ghost shadows?
1:28:00
Because that's a well known Chinese gang, American gang that's in New York City.
1:28:04
Have you is are they part of the gang database?
1:28:07
Because I know you have 500 and, what, 60 something crews in there.
Michael LiPetri
1:28:10
500.
Althea V. Stevens
1:28:11
Uh-huh.