Has the department recently analyzed how many ununiform positions could be safely performed by civilians?

What did they analyzed find?

And is there a shift reflected in preliminary budget?

Thank you for discussing the number of posts that can be civilized.

That is a continuing conversation and we should be having some numbers pretty soon.

Okay, because I think, and I've said this even with NYPD, if there's jobs that we can get civilians to do we should definitely be looking to that because it does save money and it also puts the correction officers in the places that they really need to be in dire strength.

So I definitely would want to hear back from you all about what that process could look like to help balance some of this out.

I just want to point out really quickly, yeah, you made a comparison to NYPD working in a jail on Rikers Island behind closed doors.

I know it's not the same.

It is and that's where we've had our challenges.

There are people, civilians who start out behind the gates, but then it's very uncomfortable, know, hours, whatever it may be, and we don't necessarily retain those individuals.

It's

a little bit Absolutely.

I'm not saying it's the same, but I am saying that they also need to work on having more civilians doing some of the jobs.

I'm saying the jobs are the same.

With you.

I definitely agree with you.

And part of the process that we've engaged in too is just having directors and above touring on the island and understanding what happens in the daily operations because for a long time we had civilians who didn't necessarily know what was happening in the jails.

So that is something that we've done as a leadership team to ensure that there is constant coverage and people are touring and aware of what our staff are going through and the people in our care are going through as well.

No absolutely and staffing and as you can see I mean even Councilmember Praladino, staffing is clearly an issue and we want to make sure everyone is safe and so where we can figure out where things need to be shifted, it is a conversation and so this is just about like if there are things that civilians can do and there are individuals like let's not pretend that there are not individuals who are not correction officers who would happily sign up to go there because whether they have experience or loved ones or parents who've been there, they will also be just as committed and so that is what I'm saying of like thinking about how do we expand what that looks

like.

I agree with you.

We identified some positions in our health management division that were actually the jobs were being done by officers.

They're now being done by civilian investigators, so that is an ongoing process, but we are doing the work.