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TESTIMONY

Barika Williams from the Association for Neighborhood & Housing Development on Universal Affordability Preference (UAP) and Transit-Oriented Development (TOD) modifications

10:09:34

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3 min

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Barika Williams, Executive Director of the Association for Neighborhood & Housing Development (ANHD), expresses support for the City of Yes for Housing Opportunity initiative with some proposed modifications. She focuses on recommendations for the Universal Affordability Preference (UAP) and Transit-Oriented Development (TOD) aspects of the proposal.

  • Suggests adjusting income averaging in UAP to include mandated deep affordability proportions, matching Mandatory Inclusionary Housing (MIH) Option 1
  • Recommends extending the higher 77% density bump across all UAP areas, noting that many communities prioritize affordability over density concerns
  • Proposes requiring mandated affordability in Transit-Oriented Development areas to ensure lower density areas also produce affordable housing
  • Support for the text amendment with modifications
  • Recommendation to adjust income averaging in UAP to include mandated deep affordability
  • Suggestion to extend the higher 77% density bump across the board in UAP areas
  • Concern about lack of required affordability in lower density areas under current framework
  • Recommendation to require mandated affordability in DOD (Detached Only Districts)

[EXPERIMENTAL]

Which elements of City of Yes for Housing Opportunity were discussed in this testimony?

  • UAP

The following are AI-extracted quotes and reasoning about which elements of the proposal were discussed in this testimony.

This is a quick, close approximation. Occasionally, the connection between a testimony's transcript and specific elements of City Planning's proposal is tenuous.

Read about this AI-generated analysis here.

UAP

"Around specifically UAP so wait actually, let me say this part. We support the intention of the text amendment to introduce more opportunity for housing development and importantly affordability in New York City Neighborhoods and across New York City Neighborhoods, particularly and importantly, in those that have not done their fair share in the recent decades."

This quote directly mentions UAP and discusses its intention to introduce more housing opportunities and affordability across NYC neighborhoods.

"On UAP specifically, one of the things that we're recommending is that the income averaging, as Cherilyn, pointed out, it's not a 60% it's a percent averaging be adjusted to include a mandated deaffordability proportion, right?"

This quote discusses a specific recommendation for modifying the UAP proposal, suggesting changes to the income averaging component.

"The current UAP program takes the errors framework and it stems it from senior to affordable and from supportive to senior affordable. That means that the range in UAP stays the same. And so while you've heard a lot about a 20% density bump, in reality that range of how much extra you can get, ranges from 20 to 77 percent of a density bump because that's what exists in errors."

This quote discusses the details of how the UAP program works, including its relationship to existing zoning frameworks and the potential density increases it allows.


About this analysis:

This analysis is done by AI that reasons whether or not a quote from the testimony discusses a particular element of the proposal.

All the prompts and data are open and available on Github.

You can search for testimonies that mentioned a specific element in the table on the main meeting page.

When an element is explicitly stated in the testimony (e.g. "Universal Affordability Preference" or "UAP"), the analysis is accurate.

But the connection between a quote from the testimony and an element of the proposal is sometimes implicit.

In these cases, the AI might eagerly label a testimony as discussing a proposal when the connection is tenuous, or it might omit it entirely.

↗ Why are there transcription and diarization errors?
Barika Williams
10:09:34
Hi.
10:09:34
Hi, everybody.
10:09:36
Good to see you.
10:09:36
Good evening.
10:09:38
Let me just pull up my
10:09:40
sorry.
10:09:41
There we go.
10:09:43
Good evening, everyone.
10:09:44
It's nice to
10:09:45
see you again for the
10:09:45
third time tonight, and I know it breaks some rules.
10:09:48
But on my mind and spirit, I'm bringing you one beer, but I'm not allowed to.
10:09:54
Okay.
10:09:54
So in the interest of you all have spent a lot of time on this, I'm gonna skip all of the unnecessary things.
10:09:59
My name is Brie Williams.
10:10:01
I'm the executive director of the Association for Neighborhood And Housing Development, A and HD.
10:10:05
We're a fifty year old nonprofit here in the New York City area that represents more than 80 plus non for profit neighborhood based affordable housing and economic development providers.
10:10:15
And advocates in the city.
10:10:17
I'm gonna skip all the reasons why this matters because you've heard literally all of them that I could come up with.
10:10:22
I'm gonna jump into things that I think you probably haven't heard.
10:10:28
So around specifically UAP so wait actually, let me say this part.
10:10:32
We support the intention of the text amendment to introduce more opportunity for housing development and importantly affordability in New York City Neighborhoods and across New York City Neighborhoods, particularly and importantly, in those that have not done their fair share in the recent decades.
10:10:49
Right?
10:10:50
So support with some modifications.
10:10:53
On UAP specifically, one of the things that we're recommending is that the income averaging, as Cherilyn, pointed out, it's not a 60% it's a percent averaging be adjusted to include a mandated deaffordability proportion, right?
10:11:08
That would make the 60% AMI averaging actually match Mih option 1, which also is being codified into, like, an exact option and make sure that we have deep affordability everywhere as opposed to having the ability to just do the 60% AMI, but never really hit deep affordability.
10:11:28
And happy to we have AMI cheat sheets for you all, which we use all the time, which will give you a sense of, like, that 40% AMI number gets you to about 20% of the population band, some of whom are the highest rent burned in the city.
10:11:42
Also importantly, and now I know you all haven't had a long night stick with me because I'm getting the leads here.
10:11:48
The current UAP program takes the errors framework and it stems it from senior to affordable and from supportive to senior affordable.
10:11:58
That means that the range in UAP stays the same.
10:12:02
And so while you've heard a lot about a 20% density bump, in reality that range of how much extra you can get, ranges from 20 to 77 percent of a density bump because that's what exists in errors.
10:12:18
You have a max f a r in errors, and then you have a max affordable in ears, and actually those are not consistent by various different districts.
10:12:27
Heard a lot.
10:12:28
You all have heard a lot from people who feel very strongly against density, but a lot of these UAP areas are actually places that have consistently said we will take density for affordability.
10:12:39
A And HD has done TA with these areas around neighborhood rezoning for years, They are like, we want the affordability.
10:12:46
Give us a way to get that.
10:12:47
That is more of the priority.
10:12:49
And so what we are recommending is ensuring and extending that higher 77% across the board.
10:12:56
Got it.
10:12:57
Can I say one more sentence?
Dan Garodnick
10:12:59
That's why don't you finish up.
Barika Williams
10:13:00
And then my last sentence is to require mandated affordability in DOD.
10:13:06
Our concern is that this current framework allows the lower density areas to actually have no required affordability and the UAP higher density areas do have to produce affordability.
10:13:17
So I'll leave it there.
Dan Garodnick
10:13:18
Great.

Follow-up discussion/remarks

QUESTION

Commissioner Orlando Marin inquires about affordability requirements in TOD and UAP

10:13:24

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179 sec

Commissioner Orlando Marin asks Barika Williams about her recommendations for affordability requirements in Transit-Oriented Development (TOD) and Universal Affordability Preference (UAP) projects. Williams explains the need for consistent affordability across different neighborhoods and clarifies the distinction between deep affordability and supportive housing requirements.

  • Williams advocates for mandated affordability in TOD areas to ensure consistent implementation across neighborhoods
  • She emphasizes the importance of permanent affordability to avoid future costs or loss of affordable units
  • Williams distinguishes between the need for supportive services in supportive housing and deep affordability for low-income individuals who don't require additional services
  • Support for the text amendment with modifications
  • Recommendation to adjust income averaging in UAP to include mandated deep affordability
  • Suggestion to extend the higher 77% density bump across the board in UAP areas
  • Concern about lack of required affordability in lower density areas under current framework
  • Recommendation to require mandated affordability in DOD (Detached Only Districts)

[EXPERIMENTAL]

Which elements of City of Yes for Housing Opportunity were discussed in this testimony?

  • UAP

The following are AI-extracted quotes and reasoning about which elements of the proposal were discussed in this testimony.

This is a quick, close approximation. Occasionally, the connection between a testimony's transcript and specific elements of City Planning's proposal is tenuous.

Read about this AI-generated analysis here.

UAP

"Around specifically UAP so wait actually, let me say this part. We support the intention of the text amendment to introduce more opportunity for housing development and importantly affordability in New York City Neighborhoods and across New York City Neighborhoods, particularly and importantly, in those that have not done their fair share in the recent decades."

This quote directly mentions UAP and discusses its intention to introduce more housing opportunities and affordability across NYC neighborhoods.

"On UAP specifically, one of the things that we're recommending is that the income averaging, as Cherilyn, pointed out, it's not a 60% it's a percent averaging be adjusted to include a mandated deaffordability proportion, right?"

This quote discusses a specific recommendation for modifying the UAP proposal, suggesting changes to the income averaging component.

"The current UAP program takes the errors framework and it stems it from senior to affordable and from supportive to senior affordable. That means that the range in UAP stays the same. And so while you've heard a lot about a 20% density bump, in reality that range of how much extra you can get, ranges from 20 to 77 percent of a density bump because that's what exists in errors."

This quote discusses the details of how the UAP program works, including its relationship to existing zoning frameworks and the potential density increases it allows.


About this analysis:

This analysis is done by AI that reasons whether or not a quote from the testimony discusses a particular element of the proposal.

All the prompts and data are open and available on Github.

You can search for testimonies that mentioned a specific element in the table on the main meeting page.

When an element is explicitly stated in the testimony (e.g. "Universal Affordability Preference" or "UAP"), the analysis is accurate.

But the connection between a quote from the testimony and an element of the proposal is sometimes implicit.

In these cases, the AI might eagerly label a testimony as discussing a proposal when the connection is tenuous, or it might omit it entirely.

↗ Why are there transcription and diarization errors?
Orlando Marin
10:13:24
Berica, thank you.
10:13:25
And my only question would be you're saying demand data for mobility and TODs and the UAP needs to include a requirement for deep option.
10:13:34
So what would you say I'm going to separate them out.
10:13:38
So I'll take them mandated for the building TOD.
10:13:42
What do you think would be a fair sort of mix in terms of AMIs to accommodate the affordability and the TOD billings.
10:13:55
I mean, would you want to hit some market to be able to get to an average of AMI that would be affordable or are you looking to do just affordable 100% and below?
Barika Williams
10:14:05
My understanding is that the 100% affordable projects that are going to happen in TOD areas would have HPD or HCR financing.
10:14:16
And so those are almost like, on their own track.
Orlando Marin
10:14:19
Okay.
Barika Williams
10:14:19
Right?
10:14:19
In a
10:14:20
sense, the other projects are likely going to take 485x And so hopefully, they would have some they're if they do, they're gonna have some affordability anyway.
10:14:33
So the concern is not creating a situation where certain low density TOD districts take 485.x.
10:14:42
And so they have affordability in, let's say, I'm trying to think of, like, a neighborhood.
10:14:48
And then another one, let's say, City Island doesn't do it, but Bay Ridge isn't a good one, but Bay Ridge does.
10:14:58
Right?
10:14:59
So that way, we consistently know that that affordability is happening everywhere, and I would lift up any issues what's who pushed us to do permanent affordability as a city years ago when we first started talking about it.
10:15:11
Everybody thought we were crazy.
10:15:13
And we deeply regret the units that we did not do permanent affordability before because we either lose them or we pay triple to keep them.
10:15:23
So let's go ahead and like yes, it creates some additional funding requirements potentially in those areas, but would we rather pay to get that affordability in those areas now or never have it in the future.
Orlando Marin
10:15:38
And the UAP, there was someone who commented on the lower AMIs and the requirement for supportive services when those AMIs are presented.
10:15:48
Would you also posit that if there is UAP and there is a lower Echelon of of AMI that should bring in supportive housing for that demographic?
Barika Williams
10:15:57
I think that that is true when it is port of housing.
10:16:01
I do not think that is true when it's just deep affordability.
10:16:04
There are people who just don't make a lot of money, but need and need rents, but don't actually require any supportive services.
Orlando Marin
10:16:13
Thank you for that because that does make a lot of sense on does separate the supportive housing piece of the lower AMI to just folks who are just at the lower AMI?
10:16:23
Thank you.
QUESTION

Commissioner Benjamin inquires about mandating affordability in town centers

10:16:24

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62 sec

Commissioner Gail Benjamin asks Barika Williams if she would recommend mandating affordability in town centers, similar to her suggestion for Transit-Oriented Development (TOD) areas. Williams agrees, but notes that town centers present a different framework due to lower density.

  • Williams explains that town centers might have less incentive for affordability due to lower density
  • She cites Montgomery County, Maryland as an example where affordability is required regardless of density
  • Williams expresses concern that under the current proposal, town centers and TOD areas may not contribute their fair share of affordable housing compared to other areas
  • Support for the text amendment with modifications
  • Recommendation to adjust income averaging in UAP to include mandated deep affordability
  • Suggestion to extend the higher 77% density bump across the board in UAP areas
  • Concern about lack of required affordability in lower density areas under current framework
  • Recommendation to require mandated affordability in DOD (Detached Only Districts)

[EXPERIMENTAL]

Which elements of City of Yes for Housing Opportunity were discussed in this testimony?

  • UAP

The following are AI-extracted quotes and reasoning about which elements of the proposal were discussed in this testimony.

This is a quick, close approximation. Occasionally, the connection between a testimony's transcript and specific elements of City Planning's proposal is tenuous.

Read about this AI-generated analysis here.

UAP

"Around specifically UAP so wait actually, let me say this part. We support the intention of the text amendment to introduce more opportunity for housing development and importantly affordability in New York City Neighborhoods and across New York City Neighborhoods, particularly and importantly, in those that have not done their fair share in the recent decades."

This quote directly mentions UAP and discusses its intention to introduce more housing opportunities and affordability across NYC neighborhoods.

"On UAP specifically, one of the things that we're recommending is that the income averaging, as Cherilyn, pointed out, it's not a 60% it's a percent averaging be adjusted to include a mandated deaffordability proportion, right?"

This quote discusses a specific recommendation for modifying the UAP proposal, suggesting changes to the income averaging component.

"The current UAP program takes the errors framework and it stems it from senior to affordable and from supportive to senior affordable. That means that the range in UAP stays the same. And so while you've heard a lot about a 20% density bump, in reality that range of how much extra you can get, ranges from 20 to 77 percent of a density bump because that's what exists in errors."

This quote discusses the details of how the UAP program works, including its relationship to existing zoning frameworks and the potential density increases it allows.


About this analysis:

This analysis is done by AI that reasons whether or not a quote from the testimony discusses a particular element of the proposal.

All the prompts and data are open and available on Github.

You can search for testimonies that mentioned a specific element in the table on the main meeting page.

When an element is explicitly stated in the testimony (e.g. "Universal Affordability Preference" or "UAP"), the analysis is accurate.

But the connection between a quote from the testimony and an element of the proposal is sometimes implicit.

In these cases, the AI might eagerly label a testimony as discussing a proposal when the connection is tenuous, or it might omit it entirely.

↗ Why are there transcription and diarization errors?
Dan Garodnick
10:16:24
You.
10:16:25
Commission management.
Gail Benjamin
10:16:26
Yes.
10:16:26
I was just wondering, you spoke about mandating some level of affordability and the TODs.
10:16:33
Would you also say the same thing about the town center?
Barika Williams
10:16:39
Yes.
10:16:39
I think yes.
10:16:40
Stand through would be us.
10:16:41
I mean, it's I think the town center has a slightly different framework because of how much
10:16:46
more density.
10:16:46
Okay.
10:16:46
It's lower density.
10:16:48
And so I think there's a little bit of a question of, like, what since it's lower density, can you is there enough of an incentive to get affordability out of those units?
10:17:00
That being said, if we want to look at other places across the country, places like Montgomery County, Maryland, they don't actually care how much density you're putting.
10:17:10
They say affordability is required when you build, period.
10:17:14
And so a town center versus a 20 store building all have to do their fair share.
10:17:19
Right?
10:17:19
Our concern right now is that the town center and the TOD community doesn't do their affordable housing fair share and everybody else does.
QUESTION

Commissioner Osorio questions ANHD director on public land and affordability mandates

10:17:30

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3 min

Commissioner Juan Camilo Osorio engages with Barika Williams, Executive Director of ANHD, about mandating affordability on public lands and how to incorporate this into the City of Yes for Housing Opportunity proposal. Williams emphasizes ANHD's position that all public lands should be used for 100% affordable housing.

  • Williams explains that zoning cannot mandate specific uses based on land ownership, but suggests accompanying legislation to ensure public land is used for public good.
  • The discussion explores the possibility of excluding public land from the Universal Affordability Preference (UAP), though Williams believes this may not be feasible through zoning.
  • Williams clarifies that zoning regulations apply to land parcels regardless of ownership changes, limiting the ability to mandate specific uses for public land through zoning alone.
  • Support for the text amendment with modifications
  • Recommendation to adjust income averaging in UAP to include mandated deep affordability
  • Suggestion to extend the higher 77% density bump across the board in UAP areas
  • Concern about lack of required affordability in lower density areas under current framework
  • Recommendation to require mandated affordability in DOD (Detached Only Districts)

[EXPERIMENTAL]

Which elements of City of Yes for Housing Opportunity were discussed in this testimony?

  • UAP

The following are AI-extracted quotes and reasoning about which elements of the proposal were discussed in this testimony.

This is a quick, close approximation. Occasionally, the connection between a testimony's transcript and specific elements of City Planning's proposal is tenuous.

Read about this AI-generated analysis here.

UAP

"Around specifically UAP so wait actually, let me say this part. We support the intention of the text amendment to introduce more opportunity for housing development and importantly affordability in New York City Neighborhoods and across New York City Neighborhoods, particularly and importantly, in those that have not done their fair share in the recent decades."

This quote directly mentions UAP and discusses its intention to introduce more housing opportunities and affordability across NYC neighborhoods.

"On UAP specifically, one of the things that we're recommending is that the income averaging, as Cherilyn, pointed out, it's not a 60% it's a percent averaging be adjusted to include a mandated deaffordability proportion, right?"

This quote discusses a specific recommendation for modifying the UAP proposal, suggesting changes to the income averaging component.

"The current UAP program takes the errors framework and it stems it from senior to affordable and from supportive to senior affordable. That means that the range in UAP stays the same. And so while you've heard a lot about a 20% density bump, in reality that range of how much extra you can get, ranges from 20 to 77 percent of a density bump because that's what exists in errors."

This quote discusses the details of how the UAP program works, including its relationship to existing zoning frameworks and the potential density increases it allows.


About this analysis:

This analysis is done by AI that reasons whether or not a quote from the testimony discusses a particular element of the proposal.

All the prompts and data are open and available on Github.

You can search for testimonies that mentioned a specific element in the table on the main meeting page.

When an element is explicitly stated in the testimony (e.g. "Universal Affordability Preference" or "UAP"), the analysis is accurate.

But the connection between a quote from the testimony and an element of the proposal is sometimes implicit.

In these cases, the AI might eagerly label a testimony as discussing a proposal when the connection is tenuous, or it might omit it entirely.

↗ Why are there transcription and diarization errors?
Dan Garodnick
10:17:30
Commissioner Sorio?
Juan Camilo Osorio
10:17:31
Thank you, Jared.
10:17:32
Thank you very much for your testimony now.
10:17:35
I look forward to reading your comments and I also want thank you for your comments to the DEIS back then.
10:17:40
They've been very helpful.
10:17:42
I wanted to ask you a similar question, but that I asked earlier, in terms of contextual infill and specifically when it turns to public land, do you also see a similar need to mandate or on the contract, do you think that that could actually hinder the redevelopment per se?
Barika Williams
10:17:58
No.
10:17:58
And when it comes to public land, we have a very strong and longstanding position that all public lands should be used for a 100 percent affordable housing.
10:18:07
These are the few times that we can actually discount the price of land, get more.
10:18:14
It's public land, so it really should be used for public good.
10:18:18
There are certain cases where I know we as a city are evaluating those trade offs, NICE being one of them, and there's a whole campus section of this that many people are not fully aware includes NICEHA, right, includes not just university campuses, would include like Atlantic Arts.
10:18:36
Right, based on the size.
10:18:38
But when we, as the city, control the land, when the state controls the land, we should be always maximizing the affordability.
Juan Camilo Osorio
10:18:46
Thank you.
10:18:46
But just in terms of or to understand specifically, how can this proposal incorporate that thinking?
10:18:51
Do you think that in terms of UAP you'll be mandating it as part of UAP or or or another route could be for a couple excluding public land from UAP.
10:19:00
What do you think would be the best route?
Barika Williams
10:19:02
Do I?
10:19:02
Believe that I'm thinking of John and our staff, Chris Walters, who's one of those rare people in the city who has read all thirteen hundred pages.
10:19:11
My understanding is, despite how many times I've asked Chris this, we cannot zoning does not allow you to say all public land must do x.
10:19:24
Zoning allows you to say all land with this f a r.
10:19:29
Can do x.
10:19:32
I think that there are many pieces of legislation that actually should be accompanying this broader DHL, which we we support, which would include saying DHL and public land should be used for public good.
10:19:47
Right?
10:19:48
There's a great way to there's a great opportunity to marry them.
10:19:51
There's also pieces in here around preservation.
10:19:54
In a CYCN testified earlier on how we support low income homeowners.
10:19:58
So there's different pieces that we do need to be thinking about that you all can't exclusively do in the zoning checks.
Juan Camilo Osorio
10:20:05
What do you think then about the scenario where we exclude Oligland from UAP.
Barika Williams
10:20:10
I don't believe that's possible.
10:20:15
I'm like, well, jobs like, don't look at me.
10:20:19
But I I don't think that I well, my understanding is that you cannot glued land by type of owner in the zoning text.
10:20:29
So you wouldn't be able to achieve that in like, you could you could zone you could put a box around, let's say, Central Park and say it has to be used for a 100% affordable But if in 5 years, Central Park became privately owned, that rule would still apply.
10:20:50
It's it's applied to the the Square, not the owner.
REMARKS

Chair Garodnick clarifies no proposal to rezone Central Park

10:20:56

·

14 sec

Chair Dan Garodnick of the City Planning Commission addresses a misconception by emphasizing that there is no proposal to rezone Central Park as part of the City of Yes for Housing Opportunity initiative.

  • The clarification comes after a long day of testimony and discussions
  • The statement is made to ensure clarity and prevent misinformation
  • The exchange highlights the fatigue experienced by participants in the public hearing
  • Support for the text amendment with modifications
  • Recommendation to adjust income averaging in UAP to include mandated deep affordability
  • Suggestion to extend the higher 77% density bump across the board in UAP areas
  • Concern about lack of required affordability in lower density areas under current framework
  • Recommendation to require mandated affordability in DOD (Detached Only Districts)

[EXPERIMENTAL]

Which elements of City of Yes for Housing Opportunity were discussed in this testimony?

  • UAP

The following are AI-extracted quotes and reasoning about which elements of the proposal were discussed in this testimony.

This is a quick, close approximation. Occasionally, the connection between a testimony's transcript and specific elements of City Planning's proposal is tenuous.

Read about this AI-generated analysis here.

UAP

"Around specifically UAP so wait actually, let me say this part. We support the intention of the text amendment to introduce more opportunity for housing development and importantly affordability in New York City Neighborhoods and across New York City Neighborhoods, particularly and importantly, in those that have not done their fair share in the recent decades."

This quote directly mentions UAP and discusses its intention to introduce more housing opportunities and affordability across NYC neighborhoods.

"On UAP specifically, one of the things that we're recommending is that the income averaging, as Cherilyn, pointed out, it's not a 60% it's a percent averaging be adjusted to include a mandated deaffordability proportion, right?"

This quote discusses a specific recommendation for modifying the UAP proposal, suggesting changes to the income averaging component.

"The current UAP program takes the errors framework and it stems it from senior to affordable and from supportive to senior affordable. That means that the range in UAP stays the same. And so while you've heard a lot about a 20% density bump, in reality that range of how much extra you can get, ranges from 20 to 77 percent of a density bump because that's what exists in errors."

This quote discusses the details of how the UAP program works, including its relationship to existing zoning frameworks and the potential density increases it allows.


About this analysis:

This analysis is done by AI that reasons whether or not a quote from the testimony discusses a particular element of the proposal.

All the prompts and data are open and available on Github.

You can search for testimonies that mentioned a specific element in the table on the main meeting page.

When an element is explicitly stated in the testimony (e.g. "Universal Affordability Preference" or "UAP"), the analysis is accurate.

But the connection between a quote from the testimony and an element of the proposal is sometimes implicit.

In these cases, the AI might eagerly label a testimony as discussing a proposal when the connection is tenuous, or it might omit it entirely.

↗ Why are there transcription and diarization errors?
Dan Garodnick
10:20:56
Thank you, commissioner.
10:20:57
And since it's been a long day, since we've heard a lot of things, I just want to be very clear that nobody is proposing to rezone the Central Park.
Rachel Fee
10:21:06
I'm so sorry.
10:21:07
Sorry.
10:21:07
Yes.
Dan Garodnick
10:21:07
We are.
Rachel Fee
10:21:08
Been a long day.
Eustacia Smith
10:21:09
It has been a long day.
Dan Garodnick
10:21:10
Thank you.

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