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TESTIMONY

Joel Siegel on City of Yes zoning changes in Victorian Flatbush

8:20:49

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3 min

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Joel Siegel, a former president of a neighborhood association and current member of Community Board 14, expresses strong opposition to the City of Yes zoning changes in Victorian Flatbush. He argues that residents feel blindsided by the proposed changes and that the city failed to properly engage the community, unlike the 2009 Flatbush rezoning process.

  • Siegel highlights the successful 2009 Flatbush rezoning, which resulted in increased housing along commercial corridors while preserving historic Victorian homes.
  • He criticizes the lack of community engagement in the current City of Yes proposal, calling it a 'kick in the teeth' to neighborhood residents.
  • Siegel challenges city officials to visit Victorian Flatbush and work directly with community leaders to develop alternative plans for increasing housing units while preserving the neighborhood's character.
  • Residents of Victorian Flatbush feel blindsided by the proposed changes
  • Lack of proper communication and community engagement from the city
  • Previous successful rezoning in 2009 resulted from good faith collaboration with city planning
  • Current proposal is seen as unnecessary and destructive to the neighborhood
  • Willingness to work with city planners to create housing while preserving neighborhood character
  • Challenge to city planners to visit Victorian Flatbush and engage with community leaders
  • Offer to upzone and create housing units in a way that preserves the neighborhood

[EXPERIMENTAL]

Which elements of City of Yes for Housing Opportunity were discussed in this testimony?

  • ADU
  • Transit-Oriented Development

The following are AI-extracted quotes and reasoning about which elements of the proposal were discussed in this testimony.

This is a quick, close approximation. Occasionally, the connection between a testimony's transcript and specific elements of City Planning's proposal is tenuous.

Read about this AI-generated analysis here.

ADU

"The city of yes is a kick in the teeth to my neighbors and I'm talking about transit oriented development district fixes and ancillary structures."

The speaker mentions 'ancillary structures' which is likely referring to Accessory Dwelling Units (ADUs). This indicates that the speaker is aware of and discussing this element of the proposal, even though they are expressing opposition to it.

Transit-Oriented Development

"The city of yes is a kick in the teeth to my neighbors and I'm talking about transit oriented development district fixes and ancillary structures."

The speaker explicitly mentions 'transit oriented development' as one of the elements they are discussing, indicating their awareness and opposition to this part of the proposal.


About this analysis:

This analysis is done by AI that reasons whether or not a quote from the testimony discusses a particular element of the proposal.

All the prompts and data are open and available on Github.

You can search for testimonies that mentioned a specific element in the table on the main meeting page.

When an element is explicitly stated in the testimony (e.g. "Universal Affordability Preference" or "UAP"), the analysis is accurate.

But the connection between a quote from the testimony and an element of the proposal is sometimes implicit.

In these cases, the AI might eagerly label a testimony as discussing a proposal when the connection is tenuous, or it might omit it entirely.

↗ Why are there transcription and diarization errors?
Joel Siegel
8:20:49
I'm I live in Victorian Flatbush, Dittmann Park West.
8:20:53
Former 10 year President of the Association, Naved Association.
8:20:56
I'm a member of CB14.
8:20:58
I don't speak on behalf of the community board.
8:21:01
I've heard you say that you think the process was proper here, but the residents of the Victorian Flatbush feel they're being blindsided.
8:21:09
The residents are scared and they're angry.
8:21:12
These are genuine feelings.
8:21:15
City sends around flyers for all sorts of things, recycling, voting this and that, there was no flyer about these drastic changes in lifestyle.
8:21:24
If there had been, if you had explained to people, throughout the city of what was going on here, you'd be having a hearing for a month.
8:21:32
Okay?
8:21:34
We and Victorian Flatbush worked in good faith with the partner city planning leading to the 2009 Flatbush rezoning by way of that Flatbush rezoning.
8:21:44
We work to create housing while preserving the history of Victorian Flatbush has been maintained for over 100 years.
8:21:51
As a result of the Flatbush resonating and as a result of meaningful community engagement, there has been a boom, a boom in building along the commercial card or Conion Avenue, Cortellio Road.
8:22:04
Unlike, you know, I heard you question earlier today, other neighbors, you know, how much the building is going on in your neighborhood, you know, none, you see you're none.
8:22:11
That's not my neighborhood, okay?
8:22:14
We work with CCP.
8:22:16
We upzoned areas on our commercial cardos, we preserved with our 3x, our Victorian homes.
8:22:23
When I appeared before the this committee Whenever it was in 2009, no one appeared in opposition to that rezoning.
8:22:35
No one no one no one It was everybody was in favor because everybody was hurt.
8:22:41
The the city of yes is a kick in the teeth to my neighbors and I'm talking about transit oriented development district fixes and ancillary structures.
8:22:52
We worked with goodwill in 2009.
8:22:55
And the tragedy, the tragedy here today, I've heard so many pluses, minuses, and what to have with you, but it's so contentious and it's completely unnecessary.
8:23:06
I am telling you.
8:23:08
It is completely unnecessary.
8:23:11
If the DCP had done the hard work engagement, that we did in 2009 before this plan was solved, you wouldn't have this.
8:23:19
There is no need to destroy neighborhoods to build housing.
8:23:23
So, you know, I looked up Mister Gradek, I looked up your bio on Wikipedia, and it says and by the way, I'm a 40 your attorney.
8:23:34
Okay?
8:23:34
I've been trying to retire.
8:23:38
That you're no nonsense negotiator.
8:23:40
Okay?
8:23:41
Here's my challenge to you.
8:23:43
And to all of you, come to Victorian Flatbush.
8:23:46
I don't know how many you really know Victorian Flatbush meet with the community leaders in my neighborhood.
8:23:53
Come around, see it, and we'll work with you.
8:23:57
We will upzone.
8:23:58
We will work with you.
8:23:59
We will however many units you want.
8:24:02
We'll create those units.
8:24:03
We'll give you the sites come to us.
8:24:08
Reserve Victorian Flatbush will give you the units you need.

Follow-up discussion/remarks

QUESTION

Commissioner Douek clarifies objections to City of Yes proposal

8:24:13

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79 sec

Commissioner Joseph Douek engages with Joel Siegel to clarify his specific objections to the City of Yes for Housing Opportunity proposal. Siegel confirms his primary concerns are with the transit-oriented development, accessory dwelling units (ADUs), and district fixes aspects of the plan.

  • Siegel expresses no objection to the Universal Affordability Preference (UAP) component of the proposal
  • The discussion reveals Siegel's willingness to work with city planners on alternative solutions for creating housing units in Victorian Flatbush
  • Siegel suggests the city should prioritize less controversial aspects of the plan, such as office-to-residential conversions
  • Residents of Victorian Flatbush feel blindsided by the proposed changes
  • Lack of proper communication and community engagement from the city
  • Previous successful rezoning in 2009 resulted from good faith collaboration with city planning
  • Current proposal is seen as unnecessary and destructive to the neighborhood
  • Willingness to work with city planners to create housing while preserving neighborhood character
  • Challenge to city planners to visit Victorian Flatbush and engage with community leaders
  • Offer to upzone and create housing units in a way that preserves the neighborhood

[EXPERIMENTAL]

Which elements of City of Yes for Housing Opportunity were discussed in this testimony?

  • ADU
  • Transit-Oriented Development

The following are AI-extracted quotes and reasoning about which elements of the proposal were discussed in this testimony.

This is a quick, close approximation. Occasionally, the connection between a testimony's transcript and specific elements of City Planning's proposal is tenuous.

Read about this AI-generated analysis here.

ADU

"The city of yes is a kick in the teeth to my neighbors and I'm talking about transit oriented development district fixes and ancillary structures."

The speaker mentions 'ancillary structures' which is likely referring to Accessory Dwelling Units (ADUs). This indicates that the speaker is aware of and discussing this element of the proposal, even though they are expressing opposition to it.

Transit-Oriented Development

"The city of yes is a kick in the teeth to my neighbors and I'm talking about transit oriented development district fixes and ancillary structures."

The speaker explicitly mentions 'transit oriented development' as one of the elements they are discussing, indicating their awareness and opposition to this part of the proposal.


About this analysis:

This analysis is done by AI that reasons whether or not a quote from the testimony discusses a particular element of the proposal.

All the prompts and data are open and available on Github.

You can search for testimonies that mentioned a specific element in the table on the main meeting page.

When an element is explicitly stated in the testimony (e.g. "Universal Affordability Preference" or "UAP"), the analysis is accurate.

But the connection between a quote from the testimony and an element of the proposal is sometimes implicit.

In these cases, the AI might eagerly label a testimony as discussing a proposal when the connection is tenuous, or it might omit it entirely.

↗ Why are there transcription and diarization errors?
Joel Siegel
8:24:13
Stay with us.
Dan Garodnick
8:24:14
Good question.
Joseph Douek
8:24:18
So are your primary objections to the transit oriented development MB, when you co ancillary units,
Joel Siegel
8:24:25
accessory dwelling units?
8:24:26
Well, the major issue.
8:24:28
Yes.
8:24:29
And the far, the increase the district fixes, you're talking about increase.
Joseph Douek
8:24:35
On the UAP, you're talking about here.
Joel Siegel
8:24:36
No.
8:24:36
No.
8:24:37
No.
8:24:37
No.
8:24:37
No.
8:24:37
No.
8:24:37
You don't you don't have an
Michael Sutherland
8:24:38
objection to the UAP.
Joel Siegel
8:24:39
No.
8:24:40
It sounds fine, but I I agree with other people.
8:24:43
I don't know that it's gonna really produce some form of housing.
8:24:45
But that's the No.
8:24:46
You said your from your perspective,
Joseph Douek
8:24:48
you don't have an objection on the UAP proposal that's No.
Gail Benjamin
8:24:51
Not at all.
Joseph Douek
8:24:52
Your primary objections are to the ADUs and the transitory development?
8:24:57
And district fixes.
Paul Selver
8:24:58
District fixes.
Joel Siegel
8:24:59
District fixes.
8:25:00
Yes.
8:25:00
Okay.
8:25:00
And, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna put it to you guys.
8:25:03
You guys seem maybe you got the you you got the you got it in your pocket, but you seem to be going from broke.
8:25:09
Okay?
8:25:09
You seem to be ready to go for growth, go if you get it all or you don't get anything.
8:25:14
Okay?
8:25:15
To me, I'm not in your business I'm not in the political end of this.
8:25:20
That sounds kooky.
8:25:21
Everybody agrees that we should convert the office buildings that are not being used to resins.
8:25:28
Everybody agrees to all sorts of things.
8:25:31
Go with that.
8:25:31
Thanks.
8:25:32
Okay.
8:25:32
Thank you.
Dan Garodnick
8:25:33
Okay.
QUESTION

Commissioner Benjamin inquires about development pressures in Victorian Flatbush

8:25:47

·

3 min

Commissioner Gail Benjamin asks Joel Siegel about concerns raised by Victorian Flatbush residents regarding development pressures and potential tear-downs of historic homes. Siegel expresses worry about the impact on landmark designation and the character of the neighborhood.

  • Siegel highlights the uniqueness of Victorian Flatbush and fears beautiful homes will be demolished
  • Concerns are raised about narrow streets being considered wide streets, allowing for larger developments
  • Siegel emphasizes the neighborhood's diversity and its role as a park-like setting for the community
  • Residents of Victorian Flatbush feel blindsided by the proposed changes
  • Lack of proper communication and community engagement from the city
  • Previous successful rezoning in 2009 resulted from good faith collaboration with city planning
  • Current proposal is seen as unnecessary and destructive to the neighborhood
  • Willingness to work with city planners to create housing while preserving neighborhood character
  • Challenge to city planners to visit Victorian Flatbush and engage with community leaders
  • Offer to upzone and create housing units in a way that preserves the neighborhood

[EXPERIMENTAL]

Which elements of City of Yes for Housing Opportunity were discussed in this testimony?

  • ADU
  • Transit-Oriented Development

The following are AI-extracted quotes and reasoning about which elements of the proposal were discussed in this testimony.

This is a quick, close approximation. Occasionally, the connection between a testimony's transcript and specific elements of City Planning's proposal is tenuous.

Read about this AI-generated analysis here.

ADU

"The city of yes is a kick in the teeth to my neighbors and I'm talking about transit oriented development district fixes and ancillary structures."

The speaker mentions 'ancillary structures' which is likely referring to Accessory Dwelling Units (ADUs). This indicates that the speaker is aware of and discussing this element of the proposal, even though they are expressing opposition to it.

Transit-Oriented Development

"The city of yes is a kick in the teeth to my neighbors and I'm talking about transit oriented development district fixes and ancillary structures."

The speaker explicitly mentions 'transit oriented development' as one of the elements they are discussing, indicating their awareness and opposition to this part of the proposal.


About this analysis:

This analysis is done by AI that reasons whether or not a quote from the testimony discusses a particular element of the proposal.

All the prompts and data are open and available on Github.

You can search for testimonies that mentioned a specific element in the table on the main meeting page.

When an element is explicitly stated in the testimony (e.g. "Universal Affordability Preference" or "UAP"), the analysis is accurate.

But the connection between a quote from the testimony and an element of the proposal is sometimes implicit.

In these cases, the AI might eagerly label a testimony as discussing a proposal when the connection is tenuous, or it might omit it entirely.

↗ Why are there transcription and diarization errors?
Gail Benjamin
8:25:47
I read a lot of comments and letters that have been written from people in Victorian Flatbush, and I know the area well of different bar Flatbush, etcetera.
8:25:57
Now one of the things that a lot of people spoke about was the development pressure.
8:26:02
It would be placed on those part of Victorian Flatbush that have not been landmark.
8:26:06
Particularly those areas in the R3X that were part of the 2009 zoning changes.
Joe Enright
8:26:15
Right.
Gail Benjamin
8:26:16
Do you agree with that assessment?
Joel Siegel
8:26:18
I can learn about I am very concerned.
8:26:21
My particular neighborhood at Dimas Park West and another neighborhood at Beverly Square West were told by landmarks that we would be considered.
8:26:30
That we were worthy of being considered for Lamaque debt.
8:26:34
CDS ends that.
8:26:35
When they build if they build apartment buildings on every corner, landmarks comes through and they say, forget it.
8:26:42
Okay?
8:26:43
So that's it puts the kibosh on any further landmark.
8:26:46
In this beautiful area, I mean, I don't know how many know about, you know, Victorian flops.
8:26:52
It's distinct.
8:26:53
You know, you hear all these neighborhoods.
8:26:55
I'm sorry.
8:26:56
They're not Victorian Flatbush, you know, and we have beautiful homes.
8:27:01
They're gonna be knocked down.
8:27:02
Come to my neighborhood.
8:27:03
Tell me which house we should knock down.
Gail Benjamin
8:27:06
Second question.
8:27:07
Go ahead.
8:27:08
The other thing that I read frequently was that people particularly in Dittmann's Park West were concerned about tear downs.
8:27:17
In order to build the corner lot.
Dan Garodnick
8:27:20
That's right.
Gail Benjamin
8:27:21
And is that one of your concerns also?
8:27:23
You didn't mention Our our narrows
Joel Siegel
8:27:25
well, 3 months.
Daniel Prebud
8:27:27
Our narrow streets
Joel Siegel
8:27:29
are considered wide streets.
8:27:31
And if you had a wide street and you got 5000 feet, you can knock it down and build an apartment building.
8:27:37
And I'm sorry, we all know when you start out with we have a building about two blocks away from me.
8:27:46
And as of right, it was r 6, I think.
8:27:49
Bob can tell you all the gory details.
8:27:51
But it's not 6 stories.
8:27:52
Now they've built a building that's 11.
8:27:55
9.
8:27:56
9.
8:27:56
Okay.
8:27:57
So you know when they start out, and I don't know all the ins and outs who's zoning.
8:28:01
I respect you.
8:28:02
You know, I I don't know all the zoning ins.
8:28:05
Yeah.
8:28:05
I I I had laughed when somebody said, you know, that this new your amendments are going to simplify zoning, please.
8:28:15
So Whenever you get started, you can build 35 feet.
8:28:18
Well, then all of a sudden, it becomes 2 more stuff.
8:28:21
So come on, guys.
8:28:23
Come on.
8:28:24
You know, you're going to change.
8:28:25
Thank you.
Gail Benjamin
8:28:25
I just wanted to give you an opportunity to express more of what the voluminous correspondence from this community had expressed in writing, and I wanted you to have an opportunity to let us know about that.
8:28:37
We love our neighborhood.
Joel Siegel
8:28:38
I'm a one more.
8:28:39
I'm sorry.
8:28:40
No.
8:28:40
What's oh, go ahead.
8:28:41
You got a question.
8:28:42
I'm sorry.
Gail Benjamin
8:28:42
No.
8:28:42
That was my question, and I was kind of giving you a gentle way to tease out It's improved.
Joseph Douek
8:28:48
Yes.
Joel Siegel
8:28:49
We are underserved parks wise.
8:28:52
Okay?
8:28:52
I mean, we live near beautiful prospect park I bicycle there all the time.
8:28:56
It's beautiful, but it's like a mile away.
8:28:58
We are underserved.
8:28:59
Our neighborhood is the park.
8:29:02
Okay?
8:29:03
And we have a lot of people, our neighborhood.
8:29:06
You should notice too, we are one of the most diverse neighborhoods in the state, in terms of our makeup, and the people, and there are people who live in our neighborhood, who are not well off.
8:29:17
Okay?
8:29:18
But if you walk down my block, all kinds of people walking appreciating the beauty, appreciating the flowers that I planted here.
8:29:26
Okay.
8:29:27
Thank you.
8:29:28
Thank you.
QUESTION

City Planning Commission discusses Victorian Flatbush landmarking efforts

8:29:36

·

75 sec

The City Planning Commission engages in a brief discussion about landmarking efforts in Victorian Flatbush following Joel Siegel's testimony. Commission members inquire about the timeline and challenges of the landmarking process in the area.

  • Joseph Rosenberg asks about the timing of landmarking applications for Victorian Flatbush
  • Joel Siegel mentions a pre-pandemic meeting with the Landmarks Preservation Commission
  • Chair Dan Garodnik and other commissioners acknowledge the presence of Victorian homes in various neighborhoods
  • Residents of Victorian Flatbush feel blindsided by the proposed changes
  • Lack of proper communication and community engagement from the city
  • Previous successful rezoning in 2009 resulted from good faith collaboration with city planning
  • Current proposal is seen as unnecessary and destructive to the neighborhood
  • Willingness to work with city planners to create housing while preserving neighborhood character
  • Challenge to city planners to visit Victorian Flatbush and engage with community leaders
  • Offer to upzone and create housing units in a way that preserves the neighborhood

[EXPERIMENTAL]

Which elements of City of Yes for Housing Opportunity were discussed in this testimony?

  • ADU
  • Transit-Oriented Development

The following are AI-extracted quotes and reasoning about which elements of the proposal were discussed in this testimony.

This is a quick, close approximation. Occasionally, the connection between a testimony's transcript and specific elements of City Planning's proposal is tenuous.

Read about this AI-generated analysis here.

ADU

"The city of yes is a kick in the teeth to my neighbors and I'm talking about transit oriented development district fixes and ancillary structures."

The speaker mentions 'ancillary structures' which is likely referring to Accessory Dwelling Units (ADUs). This indicates that the speaker is aware of and discussing this element of the proposal, even though they are expressing opposition to it.

Transit-Oriented Development

"The city of yes is a kick in the teeth to my neighbors and I'm talking about transit oriented development district fixes and ancillary structures."

The speaker explicitly mentions 'transit oriented development' as one of the elements they are discussing, indicating their awareness and opposition to this part of the proposal.


About this analysis:

This analysis is done by AI that reasons whether or not a quote from the testimony discusses a particular element of the proposal.

All the prompts and data are open and available on Github.

You can search for testimonies that mentioned a specific element in the table on the main meeting page.

When an element is explicitly stated in the testimony (e.g. "Universal Affordability Preference" or "UAP"), the analysis is accurate.

But the connection between a quote from the testimony and an element of the proposal is sometimes implicit.

In these cases, the AI might eagerly label a testimony as discussing a proposal when the connection is tenuous, or it might omit it entirely.

↗ Why are there transcription and diarization errors?
Joseph Rosenberg
8:29:36
How long ago have you guys put in for landmarking in
Joel Siegel
8:29:39
your area?
8:29:40
Well, we had a it was before the pandemic, and we put in actually for all of the non Victorian neighborhoods.
8:29:47
And the landmark preservation, we had a huge meeting at LPC.
8:29:52
Can't remember the dates, but we had a huge meeting.
8:29:57
They said, well, we're willing to consider these 2 other names including mine and Beverly Square West.
8:30:02
Okay.
8:30:03
But there's just beautiful homes here.
8:30:07
This is not some of these not to denigrate anybody in other neighborhoods, in other places.
8:30:14
This is special.
8:30:15
It's special.
8:30:16
It really is.
8:30:17
So I I I employ you.
8:30:19
Come.
8:30:20
We'll feed you.
8:30:21
I'll make more of the reasons.
8:30:22
Whatever you want.
8:30:23
Okay?
8:30:24
Yeah.
8:30:24
So anyway, I already mentioned we have a lot of Victoria Homes.
8:30:27
That's How many speakers?
8:30:28
How What speaker today said you've heard enough from me?
Dan Garodnick
8:30:32
Well, we're happy to hear from you, but Thank you.
8:30:35
Mister, do you have any further questions?
Joseph Rosenberg
8:30:37
No.
8:30:37
No.
8:30:37
Unfortunately, no.
8:30:38
We have
Samir Lavingia
8:30:38
a lot of Victorian homes as well.
8:30:40
Okay.
8:30:40
They tried for
Joseph Rosenberg
8:30:41
a number of years to get Landmark as well, and
Joel Siegel
8:30:43
It's it's it's not easy.
8:30:45
And I've looked down about it, like, consider the antithesis to affordable housing, and it's not really good.

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