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Paul Graziano, urban planner and land use consultant, on opposition to City of Yes and potential impacts on community density

3:41:52

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Paul Graziano, representing over 200 organizations opposing the City of Yes initiative, presents arguments against the proposed zoning changes. He argues that the current zoning can accommodate population growth, and that the new plan would lead to excessive density increases in various communities.

  • Cites statistics comparing current population and housing units to 1960 levels
  • Claims the proposed zoning could accommodate a population of 50+ million, far exceeding current needs
  • Provides an example of how the changes could drastically increase density in his single-family zoned neighborhood
  • Warns of 'apocalyptic' consequences for low, middle, and some high-density communities if the plan moves forward
  • The city's population is similar to 1960 levels, with recent population loss not accounted for in the plan
  • There are 800,000 more housing units now than in 1960
  • Current zoning can accommodate 16-20 million people if built to maximum potential
  • The proposed zoning could accommodate over 50 million people
  • The plan will devastate low, middle, and high-density communities
  • Single-family zoning will be eliminated, converting to two-family baseline
  • Potential for significant density increase in low-density areas
  • Claims the plan is not 'gentle density' but 'apocalyptic' for communities
  • Represents over 200 organizations opposing the City of Yes initiative

[EXPERIMENTAL]

Which elements of City of Yes for Housing Opportunity were discussed in this testimony?

  • ADU
  • Transit-Oriented Development

The following are AI-extracted quotes and reasoning about which elements of the proposal were discussed in this testimony.

This is a quick, close approximation. Occasionally, the connection between a testimony's transcript and specific elements of City Planning's proposal is tenuous.

Read about this AI-generated analysis here.

ADU

"And then an ADU may or may not be allowed based on the possibilities, but let's say half of those other units on the block. Convert to 2 family from one family, and then some of them also have ADUs."

This quote directly mentions ADUs (Accessory Dwelling Units) and discusses the possibility of their implementation in the context of the proposed zoning changes. The speaker is using this as an example of how the proposal could impact density in low-density communities.

Transit-Oriented Development

"I live in a single family zone, in a transit zone. I have 20 homes on my block. Most of them are 50 by a 100 or larger, which is typical. If 2 of those houses are purchased at 50 by a 100 and they're within a 100 feet of a corner and those two parcels are eligible for an apartment building, they'll whoever buys those 2 parcels will be able to build a 20 unit apartment building up to 20 units just on that property alone."

This quote discusses the potential impact of the proposal on areas near transit ("transit zone"). The speaker is describing how the proposal could allow for increased density and apartment buildings in areas currently zoned for single-family homes, which aligns with the Transit-Oriented Development element of the City of Yes For Housing Opportunity proposal.


About this analysis:

This analysis is done by AI that reasons whether or not a quote from the testimony discusses a particular element of the proposal.

All the prompts and data are open and available on Github.

You can search for testimonies that mentioned a specific element in the table on the main meeting page.

When an element is explicitly stated in the testimony (e.g. "Universal Affordability Preference" or "UAP"), the analysis is accurate.

But the connection between a quote from the testimony and an element of the proposal is sometimes implicit.

In these cases, the AI might eagerly label a testimony as discussing a proposal when the connection is tenuous, or it might omit it entirely.

↗ Why are there transcription and diarization errors?
Paul Graziano
3:41:52
Thank you.
3:41:53
Thank you for having me today.
3:41:55
My name is Paul Grazano.
3:41:56
I'm an urban planner.
3:41:57
And land use consultant.
3:42:00
And I'm working with over 200 organizations around the city who are in opposition rightfully so to the city of yes.
3:42:08
I want to throw out a few statistics for the public to understand.
3:42:13
We have the same population more or less in the city of New York that we had in 1960.
Chad Purkey
3:42:21
We have about
Paul Graziano
3:42:21
a 100,000 people more.
3:42:22
We've lost an enormous number of people over the last 4 years, which are not being accounted for in this plan.
3:42:29
We continue to lose more people.
3:42:31
We also have 800,000 additional housing units today than we had in 1960.
3:42:38
The zoning that we have today, the quote unquote outdated zoning that we have today, can accommodate 16 to 20 million people if it is built out to its maximum potential.
3:42:49
The zoning that the city planning commission and the Department of City planning are proposing is for a build out of 50,000,000 plus.
3:42:59
This will absolutely devastate communities, not just low density communities, but even middle and upper density, high density communities.
3:43:07
I'll give you an example.
3:43:10
I live in a single family zone, in a transit zone.
3:43:13
I have 20 homes on my block.
3:43:16
Most of them are 50 by a 100 or larger, which is typical.
3:43:21
If 2 of those houses are purchased at 50 by a 100 and they're within a 100 feet of a corner and those two parcels are eligible for an apartment building, they'll whoever buys those 2 parcels will be able to build a 20 unit apartment building up to 20 units just on that property alone.
3:43:40
The additional houses including my own, since one family zoning will be eliminated, that's on pages 9394 of the zoning for housing opportunity text, all one family zoning will immediately convert to 2 family baseline.
3:43:55
And then an ADU may or may not be allowed based on the possibilities, but let's say half of those other units on the block.
3:44:05
Convert to 2 family from one family, and then some of them also have ADUs.
3:44:09
You are multiplying density.
3:44:11
This is not gentle density.
3:44:13
This is apocalyptic for low density communities and middle density communities as well, and even some high density communities.
3:44:20
So I am tired of listening to the propaganda from the city planning commission and the Department of City planning on this.
3:44:29
You've heard the voices of the folks from outside of Manhattan, from the community boards, as well as from the civic organizations, And if you persist in going forward with this, there will be consequences to this, and we'll find out what they are.
3:44:46
So I appreciate your time.
3:44:48
Thank you for letting me testify.

Follow-up discussion/remarks

REMARKS

Chair Garodnick corrects record and addresses misconceptions about City of Yes proposal

3:44:50

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179 sec

Chair Dan Garodnick of the City Planning Commission responds to Paul Graziano's testimony, addressing several claims and providing clarifications about the City of Yes for Housing Opportunity proposal. He emphasizes the importance of accurate information for a fact-based discussion on the proposal's merits.

  • Garodnick refutes claims about population trends, noting that NYC reached a record high population in 2020 and is returning to pre-pandemic levels.
  • He explains that the concept of 'zone capacity' does not mean all available space will be developed, countering arguments about existing zoning adequacy.
  • Garodnick clarifies that the proposal does not entirely eliminate single-family zoning, contrary to assertions made in the testimony.
  • The city's population is similar to 1960 levels, with recent population loss not accounted for in the plan
  • There are 800,000 more housing units now than in 1960
  • Current zoning can accommodate 16-20 million people if built to maximum potential
  • The proposed zoning could accommodate over 50 million people
  • The plan will devastate low, middle, and high-density communities
  • Single-family zoning will be eliminated, converting to two-family baseline
  • Potential for significant density increase in low-density areas
  • Claims the plan is not 'gentle density' but 'apocalyptic' for communities
  • Represents over 200 organizations opposing the City of Yes initiative

[EXPERIMENTAL]

Which elements of City of Yes for Housing Opportunity were discussed in this testimony?

  • ADU
  • Transit-Oriented Development

The following are AI-extracted quotes and reasoning about which elements of the proposal were discussed in this testimony.

This is a quick, close approximation. Occasionally, the connection between a testimony's transcript and specific elements of City Planning's proposal is tenuous.

Read about this AI-generated analysis here.

ADU

"And then an ADU may or may not be allowed based on the possibilities, but let's say half of those other units on the block. Convert to 2 family from one family, and then some of them also have ADUs."

This quote directly mentions ADUs (Accessory Dwelling Units) and discusses the possibility of their implementation in the context of the proposed zoning changes. The speaker is using this as an example of how the proposal could impact density in low-density communities.

Transit-Oriented Development

"I live in a single family zone, in a transit zone. I have 20 homes on my block. Most of them are 50 by a 100 or larger, which is typical. If 2 of those houses are purchased at 50 by a 100 and they're within a 100 feet of a corner and those two parcels are eligible for an apartment building, they'll whoever buys those 2 parcels will be able to build a 20 unit apartment building up to 20 units just on that property alone."

This quote discusses the potential impact of the proposal on areas near transit ("transit zone"). The speaker is describing how the proposal could allow for increased density and apartment buildings in areas currently zoned for single-family homes, which aligns with the Transit-Oriented Development element of the City of Yes For Housing Opportunity proposal.


About this analysis:

This analysis is done by AI that reasons whether or not a quote from the testimony discusses a particular element of the proposal.

All the prompts and data are open and available on Github.

You can search for testimonies that mentioned a specific element in the table on the main meeting page.

When an element is explicitly stated in the testimony (e.g. "Universal Affordability Preference" or "UAP"), the analysis is accurate.

But the connection between a quote from the testimony and an element of the proposal is sometimes implicit.

In these cases, the AI might eagerly label a testimony as discussing a proposal when the connection is tenuous, or it might omit it entirely.

↗ Why are there transcription and diarization errors?
Dan Garodnick
3:44:50
Thank you.
3:44:51
Thank you, Mister Gratiano.
3:44:52
I appreciate your being here and your ominous testimony.
3:44:57
I I do need to just correct the record about a couple of things here.
3:45:04
That some of the things that were presented here were also presented at Community Board And Civic Associations and it's unfortunately that In many of those situations, we have not had the opportunity to correct the record there as well.
3:45:19
Let me just start for a second with the population.
3:45:22
Arguments.
3:45:24
New York City hit a record high population in 2020 using an app opposed to apples comparison that is a million more people than we had in 1960.
3:45:37
Although we saw a pandemic related decline in 2021 2022.
3:45:42
We are returning to a pre pandemic population trend in recent years.
3:45:47
I'm sorry.
3:45:48
We're going to have to have quiet from the folks who are here to testify, we'll give them an opportunity to testify.
3:45:56
Additionally, New York has seen shrinking household sizes in recent decades, meaning that the same number of people need more homes to meet the demand.
3:46:07
This pattern has significantly increased since 2020.
3:46:12
Next, the claim that because New York has additional room under zoning for more housing, that therefore it's not necessary to change zoning to allow for more housing with this proposal.
3:46:27
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how zoning works.
3:46:31
The concept that refers that he is referring to in his testimony is called zone capacity.
3:46:39
And it is never 100% fulfilled because sites do not always get developed to their full capacity for a variety of reasons, including existing buildings on those sites financing, construction, and much more.
3:46:54
And lastly, to the assertion that this would simply end single family zoning just simply not true.
3:47:03
Although some have called for us to do so, in some places where it would be appropriate like on large lots on wide streets within a half mile transit, we are proposing to allow small apartment buildings.
3:47:17
But single family districts would still exist many
Brian Shrout
3:47:21
parts of
Dan Garodnick
3:47:21
the city even if this proposal is adopted.
3:47:24
So importantly, while everybody here is free to express their beliefs, it's clear that some of the passion that we have heard has exceeded regard for the truth.
3:47:35
So I will not allow some of those assertions go unchallenged for New Yorkers who are looking to learn the truth about the effects of this proposal.
3:47:45
So we can actually have an honest back based discussion about its merit.
3:47:49
So let me go on next to Martha Dwyer.

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