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Comparison of police disciplinary models in other cities
1:58:18
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Commissioner Anthony Richardson asks DeRay Mckesson about alternative police disciplinary models in other cities and evidence of their effectiveness in reducing misconduct.
Mckesson discusses systems in Wisconsin (Police/Fire Commission), Los Angeles (Board of Rights), and Chicago, noting structural flaws in each.
He emphasizes that New York City's CCRB is uniquely robust in its investigative capacity but lacks the crucial final authority needed for true accountability.
Anthony Richardson
1:58:18
I thank you both for your testimony.
1:58:20
You alluded to some other models for enforcement.
1:58:25
Think and if you know it, it's fine, but you could submit it subsequently.
1:58:30
I'd be interested to know in those models, is there evidence that they either decreased complaints and or repeated instances of misconduct?
1:58:44
Yeah.
DeRay Mckesson
1:58:45
So, there are other models.
1:58:47
We don't love those either, but they do exist.
1:58:49
So in Wisconsin, there's an ancient law in Wisconsin that allows a police empire commission to terminate any officer, including the police chief.
1:58:57
The problem with that model is that all of the people in those commissions are appointed by the mayor.
1:59:01
So, you know, questionable whether it is used, but does it exist?
1:59:05
Yes.
1:59:06
In LA, after it sort of came after Rodney King, there's a board of rights.
1:59:10
So the police chief can recommend termination, and the board of rights has to say yes or no.
1:59:15
The problem with the board of rights is that it up until a couple years ago, it was all police on the board of rights.
1:59:20
That is wouldn't choose that.
1:59:22
And then the other option is all civilians, but they are all lawyers.
1:59:26
And the data shows that you, police officers, are more likely to get disciplined if they choose the police panel and not the civilian panel because the civilians aren't what I think people intended when they did the civilian model.
1:59:38
Chicago also has a very complicated model where if there's disagreement amongst the oversight agencies, it goes to another group and da da da.
1:59:46
So none of the ones that exist, we love structurally, but there but there is no CCRB that exists as robust as the New York City model.
1:59:55
So a lot of the oversight agencies that exist are, like, either poultry or they sort of don't have staff or they don't have people don't make complaints.
2:00:03
And, this one is robust.
2:00:05
They have real investigations.
2:00:06
They make real recommendations, but they have no power.
2:00:09
That is sort of like the rub here.