Q&A
Carter cases, budget codes, and due process claims
3:27:54
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Council Member Rita Joseph inquires about Carter cases, related budget codes, and financial details of due process claims. DOE officials provide information on tuition payments, reimbursements, and demographic data related to these cases.
- Discussion of separating data on Carter and Connor cases
- Information on the number of students receiving tuition payments (6,512 in fiscal year 2023)
- Acknowledgment of data lag in reporting due to claim filing timelines
- Demographic breakdown of due process complaint filers (64% white, 19% unknown)
- Explanation of budget codes related to Carter cases, including transportation, tuition, legal services, and direct educational services
Rita Joseph
3:27:54
I knew last time I talked about this.
3:27:56
So getting back to our famous Carter versus Connor cases at the last preliminary budget hearing, you guys could go and watch this.
3:28:03
When I asked the separate data on Carter and Connor cases, 1st Deputy Chancellor Weisberg responded, happy to give you, Happy to give happy to separate the data.
3:28:12
We can absolutely do that for you.
3:28:13
But early in the hearing this hearing, New York City public schools said, testified they couldn't give us that data.
3:28:19
Given DC Weisberg previous commitment, is that something n y New York City public schools can work on?
Liz Vladeck
3:28:26
Chair Joseph, I just wanna make sure I'm not misunderstanding.
3:28:30
Connor's cases are Carter cases.
3:28:33
They're just cases where a claim is made about where payment should go once
Althea Stevens
3:28:39
the case
Rita Joseph
3:28:39
is done.
3:28:40
That for us?
Chaya Sara Herman
3:28:41
So that's
Rita Joseph
3:28:42
That's what the committee would like.
Liz Vladeck
3:28:43
Okay.
3:28:44
So I I I can speak to first deputy chancellor Weisberg about what he was referring to.
3:28:50
As I mentioned, that's not data we track because it has become pretty muted in the processes, but I will work with my colleagues to see, what could be responsive.
3:29:02
I I think it would be helpful to understand our is the question here,
Rita Joseph
3:29:08
Do you want us to break it down into demographics?
3:29:10
What what are the services?
3:29:12
What are the areas?
3:29:12
We can do that.
3:29:13
I can send you a letter afterwards, and we could break that down.
3:29:15
We can have a conversation offline, and I could send you exactly what I'm looking for
Miriam Nunberg
3:29:19
That would be helpful.
Rita Joseph
3:29:20
In my letter.
3:29:21
Would Would that be helpful?
3:29:22
Very helpful.
3:29:22
Thank you.
3:29:32
Oh, so, how many students are receiving tuition now?
3:29:36
Do you have the number?
Liz Vladeck
3:29:39
So, for a variety of reasons, there's a data lag having to do, among other things, with parents having up to 2 years to file claims, longer longer in some circumstances.
3:29:51
I can tell you that in fiscal year 23, we made tuition payments, involving 6,512 students.
3:30:00
And I would use that number as kind of our our baseline.
3:30:04
It's consistent with the prior years, and I suspect that the most recent fiscal year is not up to date yet.
3:30:09
But it's in that range of 65100 for several years.
Rita Joseph
3:30:12
And how many reimbursements have you made through these credit cases?
Liz Vladeck
3:30:16
How many reimbursements?
Althea Stevens
3:30:17
Mhmm.
Liz Vladeck
3:30:18
Do you mean what is the dollar amount of Yeah.
3:30:20
Those reimbursements?
3:30:21
Yep.
3:30:22
So that's exactly the analysis we're working on now.
3:30:25
Because of that 1,350,000,000 representing payments made for multiple service years, we are, even as we speak, undertaking an effort to try and distill out what we're actually spending on tuition for a particular service year.
3:30:43
So we're happy to share that analysis with you as soon as we have it.
3:30:47
We are very eager to have that same insight.
Rita Joseph
3:30:51
So do so would you know how many are receiving both tuitions and services?
Liz Vladeck
3:30:56
That's harder to, separate out because our systems don't track the data in that way, but we are also looking at what we can provide to the council that at least gives some approximation of of in response to that question.
Rita Joseph
3:31:10
And you don't track demographic either on in in your cases?
Liz Vladeck
3:31:15
I we do have demographics.
3:31:17
64%, I think as was mentioned earlier, of DPCs are filed by families who identify as white.
3:31:26
Similar there's an overlap there with, middle and upper class income brackets in terms of zip codes.
3:31:33
I 19% of filers do not indicate what their, race or ethnicity is, so it's an unknown for us.
3:31:42
And so the remaining 16% of filings are broken down, you know, across other across black, Hispanic, Asian, and other filers.
3:31:52
I'm also glad to have the chance to note that it's it's a very, very small percentage of our filings that represent, public school cases.
3:32:01
Public school families, of course, also retain the right to file due process complaints when they believe.
3:32:08
When they disagree with us is usually the case about what's on the IEP.
Rita Joseph
3:32:14
So what can you explain what the Carter case, budget code 2127 includes?
Liz Vladeck
3:32:26
So I apologize.
3:32:27
I don't think I have that code, the 4 codes that I'm aware of, the budget codes that, cover due process cases.
3:32:38
Ah, I see.
3:32:40
DC Foti has educated me as she always does.
3:32:43
2127 includes the following budget codes, o c 669, which covers transportation of pupils, o c 670, which cover covers contract and corporate school programs, in other words, tuition, o c 682 covering professional legal services, which covers legal fees as well as some other costs incurred as part of the process, and then OC 685 representing, professional or direct educational services.