Q&A
Council Member Gutiérrez inquires about undisclosed surveillance technologies and predictive policing
3:38:06
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Council Member Jennifer Gutiérrez engages in a Q&A session, focusing on two main topics: undisclosed surveillance technologies used by the NYPD and concerns about predictive policing software.
- Sergio De La Pava responds, highlighting the lack of transparency in NYPD's use of surveillance technologies and potential abuses.
- De La Pava expresses strong concerns about predictive policing software, comparing it to dystopian science fiction scenarios.
Jennifer Gutiérrez
3:38:06
Surveillance technologies used by PD that they to your knowledge, they have not disclosed.
3:38:13
Tomorrow.
3:38:13
And then yeah.
3:38:16
So yeah.
3:38:16
Just I think it's someone on Zoom.
Yusef Salaam
3:38:18
Zoom, we could hear you.
Jennifer Gutiérrez
3:38:24
We'll get it.
3:38:27
K.
3:38:29
Does anyone have a response to that?
Sergio De La Pava
3:38:31
Well, I assume the POST Act is being complied with, but at its core, we just don't know what we don't know.
3:38:37
Right.
3:38:37
The perfect example of this was a criminal case that had discovery statute in effect, and so we know some.
3:38:43
But they it seems to me from the that they preferred dismissal to having to talk about how exactly it came to center on on our client.
3:38:51
And and that's what we find a lot.
3:38:53
For example, the testimony this morning, like, facial recognition is only used to build up probable cause.
3:39:00
That's because if they said facial recognition was the reason for probable cause, for example, at a pretrial suppression hearing where there's testimony under oath, they would have to detail in, you know, under oath what exact what steps were used by a facial recognition.
3:39:15
So it's they they want credit for saying that they're not using it for probable cause, but it's everything else.
3:39:19
It's an end run around disclosure.
3:39:21
It's a way of them not having to talk about how they do facial recognition.
3:39:25
One of the things we know is that, you know, Photoshop is being used, and, ultimately, there's a great potential there for abuse.
3:39:34
It's not, I think, one of the it's not a situation where compute a computer has taken the element of error out on the contrary, and we see that with the data showing that it has racial bias built into it.
Jennifer Gutiérrez
3:39:49
And then my last question is if you can share any concerns that you have about the use of predictive policing software, and whether and how it's being used by the police department.
3:40:04
Okay.
3:40:06
Thank you.
Sergio De La Pava
3:40:06
I think predictive policing software, it would would be even more offensive than the things we've been talking about.
3:40:12
I talked about, like, dystopian science fiction.
3:40:14
That's minority report.
3:40:15
That's, like, predicting who you know, who's going to commit a crime or who's going to, know, run afoul of what the NYPD wants on a given situation.
3:40:25
Yeah.
3:40:25
Not knowing.